having this one debate, we saw george w. bush lose his first debate in 2004. we saw ronald reagan lose his debate against walter mondale in 1984, and those two were able to win the election. >> was this as chris christie said today, a wipeout or give the president a new opening? >> it gives him a potential new opening. the biggest thing we're going to see, and we won't be sure about the poll numbers to reflect this, this allows mitt romney to go on the offensive. over the last month mitt romney has been on the defensive, whether the controversial 47% comment, clint eastwood's dialogue with the empty chair at the convention. these presidential races go up and down, up and down, and i think we'll see more twists and turns during election day. >> a lighter moment. we saw big bird come up. and got a few chuckles. mitt romney was detailing cuts that he might make. let's listen in to a little bit from last night, if we can. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop this subsidy to pbs. i actually like big bird, and like you, too. i'm not going to continue to spend money from china to pay for it.